Lived Happily Ever After

Posted in Uncategorized by chamblee54 on July 25, 2011

PG listened to an online discussion the other day about skepticism. One of the things the talkers were skeptical of is the claims made for “alternative” medicine. The two seemed to think that any treatment, without an insurance claim form, is bogus.

There was an interesting bit of cross current here. The woman, who attends atheist conferences, takes the corporate, conservative line when it comes to medicine. To PG, industrial medicine was the player that needs the attention of a skeptic. He left a comment, and got some predictable replies.

Some say it is all about money . Pictures today are from The Library of Congress.

chamblee54 wrote on 07/23/2011 at 05:53 PM I agree that “alternative” medicine needs to be viewed with “skepticism”. However, this does not mean that industrial medicine should be given a free ride. There are cases where non industrial remedies are effective.

An example would be gout. A few years ago, a friend and I had issues with this. I went to a Chinese doctor. He gave me some herbs to make tea from, and told me to avoid certain foods. The gout went away. My friend went to an insurance doctor, and took chemical medicine. He didn’t know before he took the medicine that the gout would get worse before it got better. He had to go in the hospital.

Modern industrial medicine is a technological marvel, and a human disaster. The costs may be the ruin of our economy. When you have a profit driven system. often the needs of the patient take second place.

Another example would be AIDS. We now have wonder drugs that can keep it under control for many people. However, these wonder drugs are horrendously expensive, and have many side effects. There are people who got the bug in the early eighties, used “alternative” treatments, and are still alive today.

I could go on and on, and maybe someone will continue this. I have only seen part of this diavlog, and am looking forward to the rest. Ms. Althouse is always fun to listen to. I read a little bit about the controversy involving Ms. Watson and the elevator barista , and look forward to hearing the rest of this. I might not get much multi tasking done.

Don Zeko wrote on 07/23/2011 at 06:03 PM When these natural remedies are proven to have beneficial effects by multiple peer-reviewed studies, I’ll be happy to compare them to competing “chemical” medicines on a cost-benefit basis. I’m not arguing that there are aren’t serious problems with the pharmaceutical industry and the way that it interacts with the rest of the health care system, but the dysfunction of mainstream medicine hardly proves that we’d be better off with faith-based “natural” alternatives.

chamblee54 wrote on 07/23/2011 at 06:54 PM There is a problem here. The “peers” that do these review studies are a part of the industrial medicine establishment. (Mafia might be too strong a word.) They have a stake in maintaining the hegenomy of profit driven indu$trial medicine. I don’t think these people are going to give “alternative” medicine a fair shake.

apple wrote on 07/23/2011 at 07:02 PM OK, studies are frauds, peer-reviewed journals are a fraud, but believing the unverified claims of someone selling faux (aka alternative) medicine is good. Got it. You should consider becoming an advocate for “intelligent design”.

Don Zeko wrote on 07/23/2011 at 07:28 PM Come on man, this is conspiratorial, non-falsifiable nonsense. You’re writing off everyone that might have a contrary opinion because of tenuous claims of self-interest, while ignoring how the “alternative medicine” community is full of quacks making money hand over fist selling people snake oil.

The facebook friend posted a link, along with a note. for all my psychotherapist colleagues who from time to time take call for each other when another is away. Ellen Bass’ poem exemplifies grace under pressure and how common sense can save the day. The link is to a copyrighted poem. .

It tells the story of a therapist, taking calls for a colleague who is on vacation. A man wants to kill himself. The substi-shrink asks the man to wait until monday, when his regular therapist will be back in town. The man agrees to live.

This reminds PG of a story. It was in a book by Celestine Sibley, about her mentor Ralph McGill. Mr. McGill was the editor of the Atlanta Constitution. At the time, the Constitution was an independently owned competitor to the Atlanta Journal, the afternoon paper.

A reporter for the morning paper found out his wife was fooling around. He got drunk at lunch, and swore he was going to kill his wife’s bf. Mr. McGill got wind of this, and called the man into his office.

The editor had a request for the reporter. Please wait until today’s afternoon paper comes out. This is going to be a good story, and I want the morning paper to cover it. The reporter agreed to the delay. He went home, sobered up, and decided that killing was not a good idea. The reporter got a divorce, another wife, and lived happily ever after.

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