Somebody Made A Mistake

Posted in Georgia History by chamblee54 on July 20, 2012

PG recieved a mailer from the “Brookhaven Ballot Committee”. The address is a shopping center. The mailer supports a creating a City of Brookhaven.

There is a disagreement over whether there will be sufficient tax revenue to operate the new city. The supporters say there is enough money. The opponents say the new city should be named Broke-haven. This mailer does not say one word about this important issue. The mailer does not say anything about whether the new city will provide adequate police protection.

The mailer is embedded in this post, along with pictures from The Library of Congress. The mailer has two pictures of President Barack Obama. While the POTUS is not perfect, he will have little impact on the operation of the new city. One wonders why his picture is featured in this mailer.

If the people who are going to run this new city think PG is a Republican, that will be influenced by this nonsense, then they are not smart enough to run a city. This is similar to the reaction to the bungling campaign for T-SPLOST. Is the road planning done by the same idiots who are running that campaign?

In addition to the images of President Obama, there is a picture of DeKalb county CEO Burrell Ellis. A “No City” sign is pasted below his left hand. Both BHO and Mr. Ellis have dark skin. Mr.Ellis is the descendent of American slaves, unlike BHO. DeKalb county is majority black, and the proposed city would be majority white.

There are two important proposals on the ballot July 31. T-SPOST is plagued by an incredibly incompetent ad campaign. Those who support a new city of Brookhaven are making the same mistake. It would be nice to decide these issues on their merits, instead of reacting with anger to an insulting ad in your mailbox. There are eleven days until the vote.


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  1. Eric Robert said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:52 am

    The mailer isn’t from Brookhaven Yes but from the other pro committee that also did the sloppy mailout

    • chamblee54 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:03 pm

      Thank you for the clarification. What is going on there, with “the other pro committee” sending out mailers that will alienate people from the cause of the new city?

    • chamblee54 said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 pm

      I have changed the title of this post. Do you know who is sending out these goofy mailers? Could it be from NoCityBrookhaven?

      • Eric Robert said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm

        Ha! Unfortunately no. They have a campaign disclosure filed (by the due date) and officers listed. They are legit pro city people, I agree its not a good mailer.

      • chamblee54 said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:09 pm

        1-Both the ballot committee and Brookhaven Yes show 3522 Ashford Dunwoody Road as the return address. They use different suite numbers. However, that shopping center does not use suite numbers. Kroger is 2036 Johnson Ferry, and Starbucks is 3520 Ashford Dunwoody. The 3522 number belongs to the UPS store, which is obviously used for the mailings.(When you type 30319 in the Starbucks locator, it asks if it is Georgia or Spain.)
        2- One of the no city mailers has a similar style to the ballot committee mailers. Maybe both sides are using the same graphic designer.

      • Eric Robert said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm

        Btw, you mention the need to focus on numbers and such issues like police protection. All good points. And I’m not sure how much access you’ve had to the information. I’ve been ended up getting a lot of info off the Patch commentary and then verifying it using my tax bills, and other county records. Its tough because there is so much nonsense being posted on the Patch. I’ve also downloaded the CVI study and charter. The CVI study is linked to both the yes and no websites

        I’m convinced of one thing the city is viable fiscally. I can’t say who will have the higher taxes because Dekalb just shifted its allocation of its millage rates for services it provides. They raised the stuff everyone in DeKalb pays but lowered the rates on the things the cities provide like police services. What this means is unincorporated DeKalb gets no tax increase but people living in the various cities do have to pay more taxes to DeKalb and though their city rates are unchanged they thus got a tax increase.

        DeKalb County also issued that update to the property tax digest showing a 6% decline for the proposed city of Brookhaven. The tax digest is projected to provide 25% of funding to the proposed city. Because of this decline based on projections by the CVI study Brookhaven would have a deficit. The problem is DeKalb has not updated the other 75% of the revenue stream, some of which admittedly is derived from formulas since DeKalb can’t break those out now, so they say. DeKalb did release countywide Host receipts which with the slow recovery in the economy are up substantially. From this we know that Brookhaven’s share will be go up more than the decline of the property tax digest so there is no deficit but instead a bigger surplus.

        The other cities experiences with CVI has been that they have been conservative on projections and things have turned out better. Peachtree Corners with a budget the a tenth the size of brookhaven’s and dunwoody’s is causing some to question the CVI but that’s more an instance of Peachtree Corners making decisions to spend more in certain areas that caused start up costs to rise. Problem is with projected spending of only $700,000 decisions like getting a call center can blow the budget, though they are still within their 1 mil cap.

        So the question for some is will taxes be higher? Its hard to say, Brookhaven doesn’t have to go to its .335 milage cap. The CVI projections included huge increases in parks spending and roads and sidewalk spending as well as stormwater spending. Personally i’m fine if its close. I am pretty much a Dem, and worry about this just being upset republicans but I do think a city will improve zoning and planning. I think we will see better as in transit friendly, sustainable and pedestrian friendly development.

        I’ve watched Dunwoody and been impressed and their police staffing has demonstrated increased coverage. Brookhaven has slightly more police than Dunwoody. Some say Buford Highway will be a problem but I disagree that will be a huge problem, there is more crime but its largely a safe corridor.

        Finally because 88% of the taxes still go to DeKalb, if Brookhaven could actually add tax revenues to Dekalb by raising property values.

        Below is an analysis I did of tax bills – unfortunately I haven’t been able to update it since DeKalb changed the allocation of the millage rate. The Brookhaven numbers have not changed but DeKalb’s has.

        If all this is not appropriate for your blog please feel free to delete it, I just figured i would respond to your valid point about the debate on the numbers.

        Assuming the Brookhaven Budget uses the full 3.35 mil cap.

        House appraised at $250,000 by DeKalb @ 40% = 100,000

        Brookhaven 100,000 x .00335 = $335 – 67 = 268
        Dekalb 100,000 x .00639 = 639 – 64 = 575 x. 41 = $235.75

        House appraised at $150,000 by DeKalb @ 40% = 60,000

        Brookhaven 60,000 x .00335 = 335 – 67 = 268 = 134
        Dekalb 60,000 x .00639 = 383.40 – 64 = 319.40 = $130.95

        10,000 Homestead Exemption in DeKalb = a Credit of $10,000 x .639 or $63.90
        20,000 Homestead Exemption in B’haven = a Credit of $20,000 x .335 or $67

        Host Credit of 59% means only 41% of tax is paid.

      • chamblee54 said, on July 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm

        I don’t get many commenters. Beggars can’t be choosers.
        Thank you for the information. When the discussion is about the issues, it is tough to make up your mind. Unfortunately, somebody wants to center the discussion on personalities.
        There is a similar problem with T-SPLOST. That is an incredibly goofy support campaign. I am not impressed with the project list on T-SPLOST, so voting against that is a bit easier.

    • Eric Robert said, on July 21, 2012 at 12:27 pm

      sorry, that also did a previous mailout that was sloppy. I agree its bad. Though not misleading like the No City Brookhaven mail out I got yesterday. I agree with the above comment about the mailout I got from from the Brookhaven Ballot Committee not the Brookhaven Yes people. The Bhaven Yes mailouts have been fine. However I can’t say the same about the 2 Bhaven Ballot Committee mailouts I got. I am voting for President Obama. Shoot I think he’s probably the only person that could make our stupid CEO style of government and a urban county providing county AND municipal services work.

      Be that as it may its not like the No City Brookhaven flyer I got yesterday was any better, actually instead of being merely stupid like the Ballot Committee mailout it contained lots of misleading statements. The $166 per $100,000 higher tax number that is wrong. By the Millage numbers from the table in the mailout (and it may not be the latest rate after DeKalb pulled that trick with the 37% police budget mil cut and shift to general ops) the difference is less than $50 per 100,000. Plus most people don’t realize assessed value is the 40% number so a $300,000 house has an assessed value of $120,000 and the extra $10,000 homestead credit from Bhaven saves you $35 on the total bill.

      Also the height restriction by the airport and being surrounded by cities doesn’t prevent growth of the tax digest. We’ve got areas ripe for development including high rise areas along I-85 and I-285 . And using the property tax digest reduction without including the HOST credit to say we will start with a deficit is wrong.

    • Eric Robert said, on July 21, 2012 at 2:02 pm

      I like the Beltline and the train to Emory could be good though it needs to go the rest of the way to Avondale and DeKalb should have protected the right of way years ago so they wouldn’t have to do so much expensive tunneling.

      But it is still largely a road construction list that lacks vision so I’m voting against it. I support the Sierra Club position that it basically promotes more of the same type of development patterns.

      Plus I don’t think a general sales tax should fund roads. They are very regressive and only further hide the true cost of driving a car.

  2. Mr. HamBurger said, on July 21, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    C54, many would say your first commets/title were spot on. I have talked to half a dozen folks that made similar comments. Both ballot committees are really one in the same.

    Explore the link and sub links and you will see what I mean. One hand washes the other . . .

    Want a new city? Fine. Now you have a city and a county to deal with!

    • chamblee54 said, on July 22, 2012 at 8:01 am

      Thank you for stopping by. I reviewed the comment thread at Brookhaven Patch. Both the ballot committee and the yes committee have the same return address… a UPS store in a shopping center.

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