Jekyll And Hyde Part Two

Posted in Poem by chamblee54 on April 19, 2020

Seven People Killed By Police

Posted in GSU photo archive, Killed By Police by chamblee54 on April 18, 2020








@ShaunKing “7 people were killed by American police…YESTERDAY. That’s more people than police in most developed nations kill in an entire year.” 3:26 PM – 21 Apr 2017. This tweet does not tell us much. Mr. King likes to stir trouble, without citing sources. Mr. King made a similar tweet last year, which inspired a chamblee54 google party, Six People Killed By Police. Pictures for this repost are from “The Special Collections and Archives, Georgia State University Library”.

The Counted People killed by police in the US. was the ultimate source last year. This fine service closed shop at the end of 2016. The site used to research today’s feature is Killed By Police 2017. It is a numbered list of people killed by police, in the United States, in 2017. At the time this feature is written, police have killed 357 people. The total for 2016 is 1092.

Today’s report will focus on 345-352. The names are: (345) Steve Seagraves, white (346) Marion Lee Holliday, white (347) Jose A. Trejo, hispanic (348) Damarius Butts, black (349) Ray Raymond Valdez, hispanic (350) Robert Lee Clark Jr., white (351) Joel Anthony, white, and (352) Brandon Pequeno, hispanic. All of the deceased are male. None of the eight deaths showed apparent bad behavior by police. Four of the incidents involved an exchamnge of gunfire, with five officers shot. Mr. King’s tweet referenced seven people killed. The eighth, Joel Anthony, died Thursday, after being injured, in a traffic accident, on Monday.

Two of the deaths involve vehical crashes. Joel Anthony,6, died on Thursday, after being injured in a car crash on Monday. The vehicle made a left turn in front of an “Albuquerque (NM) Police Department officer racing to a call…” Robert Lee Clark Jr., 30, led police on a motorcycle chase. Mr. Clark slowed down. A Berkeley County, SC, police cruiser crashed into him from behind.

Ray Valdez, 55, “is a convicted murderer and was released from prison in 2002. Thursday evening Valdez and his girlfriend were involved in a fight, according to police. At some point in the fight, Valdez’ girlfriend was able to break away and flag down a park police officer. She told the officer Valdez had assaulted her while holding a knife. “The officer deployed his taser,” said Chief William McManus with SAPD. “It was not effective. He continued toward the officer. The officer deployed his firearm and fired multiple times and he was struck three times.” The incident was in San Antonio, TX.

Brandon Pequeno, 25, is the closest thing to a “bad police killing” in this story. “…Pequeno, who was believed to be driving a stolen vehicle, rammed other vehicles in an attempt to flee officials and did not comply with the officers’ commands.” A 17 yo female passenger was critically wounded by gunfire. Her relationship to Mr. Pequeno is not known. There are suggestions that she was kidnapped. The incident was in Glendale, AZ.

Jose A. Trejo, 26, shot two police officers before being fatally wounded. “Trejo died at the scene of the 432 Sanders Road disturbance when three Hardeeville (SC) police officers and a Sheriff’s Office deputy were called to the residence around 6 p.m. after a report of a “domestic situation,” (Jasper County Sheriff Chris) Malphrus said. Trejo, a resident of the home, allegedly fired a gun near his mother’s head before police arrived. Malphrus said she was treated for powder burns to the side of her face and eye at an area hospital Thursday night and released. As two officers entered the home, Trejo allegedly exited a bedroom and began firing. …The officers returned fire, killing Trejo. … Deputy Justin Smith was struck by a bullet in the left hand and collar bone … Sgt. Kelvin Grant of the Hardeeville Police Department was struck in the arm by a bullet and on his left side by a bullet fragment.” Both officers are expected to recover.

Marion Lee Holliday, 64, was killed in Logan County OK. “Holliday had a previous arrest in reference to possession of narcotics. The investigation into whether Holliday had a mental illness and why he was holding the gun is still ongoing… Deputies said they responded to Simmons Rd. and Douglas Blvd. about 4:40 p.m. Thursday in reference to an irate man walking in the roadway carrying a shotgun. Holliday was hiding behind some trees and exchanged words with deputies. Officials said Holliday then raised his shotgun to point it toward deputies, investigators said. Deputies then fired at Holliday, who was pronounced deceased at the scene, authorities said.” “Initial reports indicate that the alleged suspect barricaded himself in a wooded area and was threatening the deputies. … The reported shooting occurred just two days after the sheriff’s office lost one of their own. Logan County Deputy David Wade was shot and killed while serving an eviction notice on Tuesday morning.”

Steven Camacho Seagraves, 40, died in Guam. “The pursuit began at about 5 a.m. Friday at the House of Liberty Game Room in Barrigada, when GPD received a report that a man armed with a gun was at the game room. Officers from Barrigada pursued the suspect’s vehicle. The pursuit ended at Chalan Langet in Dededo when Seagraves lost control and ran off the roadway. Seagraves then allegedly opened fire on officers, who returned fire. Seagraves was pronounced dead on the scene.”

Damarius Butts, 19, died in Seattle, WA. “The suspects robbed a 7-Eleven at First Avenue and Cherry Street about 1 p.m … The suspects had reportedly stolen beer from the store before they were chased out by a clerk. … (This tweet displays the stolen merchandise, worth $28.42) … The bicycle officers, who were nearby, confronted the suspects about two blocks away and a fight ensued … While one officer fought with a male suspect on the ground, the 17-year-old girl struck the officer over the head with a bottle … The suspects then fled, and one fired at police, who returned fire … The suspect who opened fire then barricaded himself in the building … That man was later found dead…” Three police officers were shot, with one critically wounded. This video shows part of the chase.









Jekyll And Hyde Part One

Posted in Poem by chamblee54 on April 17, 2020

Was The Election Really Stolen?

Posted in Georgia History, Library of Congress, Politics by chamblee54 on April 16, 2020

One misty four twenty morning, PG was looking for something to post. He looked to 042018, one year ago. He found Stacey And Stacey. The story is repeated below. It was the first time PG paid attention to Stacey Abrams. It would not be the last, unfortunately. This is a repost.

Since that nightmare election, PG has wanted to assemble his thoughts about Ms. Abrams. Many people see her as a hero. PG does not. Stacey Abrams has a talent for publicity. Certain parts of the media adore her, and report her antics uncritically. Would Ms. Abrams would be a competent Governor/Senator? That is a good question.

PG wrote about Ms. Abrams, and the nightmare election, several times.
Stacey and Stacey ~ The battle of fair street bottom
Politically Relevant ~ Georgia voter registration
Why Did The 1956 Legislature Change The Flag? ~ Brian and Stacey
We were lied to ~ Rally At The Capitol Turns Nasty
The Problem With Stacey 2015 Edition ~ The Problem With Greg Palast

Brian Kemp was the worst Republican Gubernatorial candidate in many years. Ms. Abrams was much more appealing. Mr. Kemp made a political mistake when he did not resign as Secretary of State, after he won the Republican primary. If he had done so, the voter suppression uproar would have been much less potent.

The truth is that the counties register voters, and count the votes. The SOS office plays a limited role. Unfortunately, the truth does not make a good campaign issue. Voter Suppession™ was demagogued into submission by Stacey Abrams, and the clickbait media.

Ms. Abrams screamed Voter Suppession™ every chance she got. It was her main campaign issue. The clickbait media knows a good story when they smell one. Racist Republican Rascal Steals Election In Honey Boo Boo Land!!! If you are not as outraged as your neighbor, then you must be a racist. Threatening to call someone the r-word is a powerful campaign tactic.

After the election, PG was looking for something. He stumbled onto The New Georgia Problem. It was a 2015 article about The New Georgia Project, a voter registration organization that Stacey Abrams fronted. NGP had a lot of problems. Ms. Abrams did not look good.

Among other things, NGP workers were poorly trained. A lot of their registrations were thrown out for being illegible and incomplete. This was also a problem with many voter registrations in the 2018 election. While the “exact match” law got all the attention, many of the registrations were thrown out for being illegible and incomplete.

The infamous AP story about 53,000 rejected registrations came out a month before election day. PG saw this, and realized that whatever was said could not be believed. The AP story was quoted as gospel. Few challenged the findings, even though the only documentation offered was “An analysis of the records obtained by The Associated Press.” Soon, Greg Palast put his hat on, and contributed to the noise and confusion. Discerning voters like PG just wanted it to be over.

Did Brian Kemp steal the election? It is possible. Mr. Kemp is no paragon of virtue. Georgia’s election machines are notoriously insecure. However, many of the wild-eyed charges leveled by Ms. Abrams have never been proven. Nobody has ever said how deleting voters-who-do-not-vote targets people of color. In the end, Brian Kemp will serve a term as Governor, and Stacey Abrams will make noise about it. As someone said about the New Georgia Project, “It’s a glaring example of what makes people sick about politics.”

Until Thursday, PG had been in blissful denial of the Georgia Governor’s election. Except, that is, for the clown car antics of the republicans. The Democrats had Stacey Abrams, aka black Stacey, opposing Stacey Evans, aka white Stacey. The Republicans are almost certain to win in November, even with a certified idiot like Casey Cagle.

The happy ignorance was interrupted by facebook on thursday. A FBF posted a link to this article, Statement by the Metro Atlanta Chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America on the vulgar hit piece against member Anoa Changa. The vhp, posted by the notorious white supremacists at WABE, was titled Atlanta Activist Uses Russian-Backed Media To Spread Message. It seems as though a local activist, Anoa Changa, utilized a Russian owned broadcast outlet to spread her message. This was news to PG, as well as the 99.9% of the population that never listens to Sputnik.

PG did not see what was so horrible about the WABE piece, and was prepared to ignore it. Then he saw something in the article. “Changa helped lead a protest last year at the progressive Netroots Nation convention drowning out the speech of Stacey Evans, a Democratic candidate for governor in Georgia. Changa and the other protesters chanted “trust black women.” Evans is white, while her Democratic primary opponent Stacey Abrams is black. Changa supports Abrams.” A bit of research turned up a video, Protesters Harass Stacey Evans Candidate Gov. Georgia Aug 12, 2017.

This incident was noted on facebook. “Yup, don’t see what the problem is. Was Evans run out of town? Silenced? Is she still in the race?” “I fully support activists of color disrupting any centrist white person running for office. Stop ignoring the fundamental power dynamic in play because of white supremacist patriarchy.” “Good luck winning the election”

Others are grossed out by this type of behavior. Is this what happens to people running for public office? To be shouted down in public forums, and say “this is what democracy looks like.” Maybe smells like is more appropriate. Maybe we are not mature enough to allow the luxury of free speech. Maybe an election campaign is a time to shout down your opponent … and call those who do not applaud your playground-bully tactics a racist.

Stacey Abrams And Stacey Evans had a discussion of the incident. Stacey Evans condemned the protest. Stacey Abrams did not. “I do not believe that you silence those who feel they are voiceless, because the minute we do that we are no better than those who tell people they can’t kneel in protest.”

Anoa Changa is far from voiceless. She is not going to be silenced by waiting until someone else is through speaking. To compare this abusive protest, to pro football players and the national anthem, is ridiculous. Stacy Abrams has no business being Governor of Georgia. This is a repost. Pictures for this paranormal panorama are from The Library of Congress.

Inspire Me

Posted in Poem by chamblee54 on April 15, 2020

Lewis Grizzard

Posted in Book Reports, Georgia History, GSU photo archive by chamblee54 on April 14, 2020
















In the time between 1980 and 1994, if you lived in Atlanta you heard about Lewis Grizzard. Some people loved him. Some did not. He told good old boy stories about growing up in rural Georgia. Many of them were enjoyable. He also made social and political commentaries, which upset a few people. This is a chilly tuesday morning repost, with historic pictures from “The Special Collections and Archives, Georgia State University Library”.

PG had mixed feelings about Lewis. The stories about Kathy Sue Loudermilk and Catfish were funny. His opinions about gays, feminists, and anything non redneck could get on your nerves. His column for the fishwrapper upset PG at least twice a week.

In 1982, Lewis (he reached the level of celebrity where he was known by his first name only) wrote a column about John Lennon. Lewis did not understand why Mr. Ono was such a big deal. PG cut the column out of the fishwrapper, and put it in a box. Every few years, PG would be looking for something, find that column, and get mad all over again.

The New Georgia Encyclopedia has a page about Lewis, which expresses some of these contradictions.
“If Grizzard’s humor revealed the ambivalence amid affluence of the Sunbelt South, it reflected its conservative and increasingly angry politics as well. He was fond of reminding fault-finding Yankee immigrants that “Delta is ready when you are,” and, tired of assaults on the Confederate flag, he suggested sarcastically that white southerners should destroy every relic and reminder of the Civil War (1861-65), swear off molasses and grits, drop all references to the South, and begin instead to refer to their region as the “Lower East.” Grizzard also wore his homophobia and hatred for feminists on his sleeve, and one of the last of his books summed up his reaction to contemporary trends in its title, Haven’t Understood Anything since 1962 and Other Nekkid Truths (1992).
In the end, which came in 1994, when he was only forty-seven, the lonely, insecure, oft-divorced, hard-drinking Grizzard proved to be the archetypal comic who could make everyone laugh but himself. He chronicled this decline and his various heart surgeries in I Took a Lickin’ and Kept on Tickin’, and Now I Believe in Miracles (1993), published just before his final, fatal heart failure.”

As you may have discerned, Lewis McDonald Grizzard Jr. met his maker on March 20, 1994. He was 47. There was a valve in his heart that wasn’t right. The good news is that he stayed out of the army. At the time, Vietnam was the destination for most enlistees. The bad news is that his heart problems got worse and worse, until it finally killed him.

Sixteen years later, PG found a website, Wired For Books It is a collection of author interviews by Don Swaim, who ran many of them on a CBS radio show called Book Beat. There are two interviews with Lewis Grizzard One was done to promote My Daddy Was a Pistol and I’m a Son of A Gun. This was the story of Lewis Grizzard Senior, who was another mixed bag.

PG found himself listening to this chat, and wondered what he had been missing all those years. The stories and one liners came flowing out, like the Chattahoochee going under the traffic slogged perimeter highway. Daddy Grizzard was a soldier, who went to war in Europe and Korea. The second one did something to his mind, and he took to drinking. He was never quite right the rest of his life. His son adored him anyway. When you put yourself in those loafers for a while, you began to taste the ingredients, in that stew we called Lewis Grizzard.

PG still remembers the anger that those columns caused … PG has his own story, and knows when his toes are stepped on. The thing is, after listening to this show, PG has an idea of why Lewis Grizzard wrote the things that he did. Maybe PG and Lewis aren’t all that different after all.

















Posted in Uncategorized by chamblee54 on April 13, 2020

With the world one month into covid19 lockdown, I decided it was time to broadcast. Everyone was having virtual meetings online. It was time for this neo-luddite to join to show. But how?

I don’t have a smart phone, or a laptop. My phone is an ATT flip phone, which I am told is really a smart phone. Finding the app online is too much work for this device. If I am going to zoom with the zoomers, I need to get a microphone. I had a 2000 era webcam, which can serve until something better comes along. Or so I thought.

Hank Green suggested a microphone. Amazon said “Get it as soon as April 22 – 27 …,” which was not helpful. An hour or so later, I find a mic at a local retailer. I place the order, and get the confirmation. I drive to Marietta, and ushered into the retail facility. Everyone is wearing a mask, and acting nervous. They do not accept cash. The package is handed over, the credit card swiped, and I am on my way home. The rude, aggressive drivers are not staying home.

Now, to get a camera. The web cams I see online look a lot like regular cameras. This does not mean that a Finepic T-400 will work online. That golfball shaped webcam, from 1999, quit working around the time of Windows Vista. It looks like a camera is going to be needed.

A few minutes later, a few webcam options turn up. Unfortunately, none of them are in stock, anywhere. Apparently, I am not the only person trying to play zoom catch up. Finally, I see a computer shop downtown. The lady seems to say that she has a webcam, but is closing the shop in a half hour. I run down there. The lady says that she can have the camera for me the next day. Twenty six hours later, I get a phone call. I go back downtown, and get a cheesy box, with a device inside.

A community I am in is having a virtual heart circle. I plug the camera in, and figure out how to make it stay on top of the monitor. I plug the microphone in, and click the link. I am now a part of the zoom generation. Pictures today are from The Library of Congress.

The Boiled Frog Myth

Posted in Library of Congress, Weekly Notes by chamblee54 on April 13, 2020

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Mark Wahlberg: ‘We Still Have Faith and We Have Each Other’
The boiled-frog myth: stop the lying now! ~ why death is bad: a primer for Christians
Joan Baez with The Grateful Dead – Unreleased Studio Album (1981)
Georgia state senator Jack Hill found dead in his office at 75
Puerto Rico imposes stricter COVID-19 measures amid lawsuit
‘Jesus’ figure appears in tree days before Easter as crowds snub coronavirus lockdown
Is John Dillinger’s Penis on Display at the Smithsonian?
The Far-Right Helped Create The World’s Most Powerful Facial Recognition Technology
The Disastrous exploding Whale of Florence, Oregon
Why Kelly Loeffler’s stock portfolio has Republicans worried
10 patients at the same Georgia nursing home die of coronavirus
I Can Say ‘Karen’ – My Best Friend Is White
Additional information sharing with business partners
nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes! Letter to J-B Le Roy (1789)
Aphex Twin to stream full Warehouse Project live show with interactive visuals
Chicago mayor puts liquor curfew in place after spike in gun violence as boy, 15, killed
Chicago woman killed while social-distancing outside 7-Eleven
‘Too Many Corpses’ As NYC’s Death Toll Soars
Nine men arrested in Grindr sex sting in North Georgia
Surgeon general explains how coronavirus disproportionately affects people of color
Steve Bannon and the struggle for America’s post-pandemic soul
Examining Tara Reade’s Sexual Assault Allegation Against Joe Biden
lutheran satire ~ gaslight ~ cv19 per 100k ~ Ponce de Leon Park ~ henry rollins
sugartime ~ covid19 playbook ~ becky ~ blondie ~ boiling frog
@jimgoad Didn’t this guy physically attack two different Vietnamese men for being Vietnamese? Beware the virtue-signalers. There’s no need to virtue-signal in public unless you’re insecure about your virtuousness. ~ @chamblee54 “if the people at the bottom are thrown into the dull and the opium abuse thats a very bad thing” ~ In 2015, Salon posted a festive piece. “Indiana’s Mike Pence is starting to look like Lester Maddox — without the spine.” I made this comment: “It is highly unlikely that anyone will know who this Pence person is in forty four years.” Political predictions are risky. ~ Ben Franklin sent a letter to Jean-Baptiste Le Roy on November 13, 1789. In this letter he said: “Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world, nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes!” ~ “you know there’s risks there too you know yeah and the idea of putting a dollar figure on a human life is repulsive to most of us I think intuitively in this context but in fact we do it all the time” ~ This has what politics has come to. It is not supporting a candidate/incumbent. It is seeing how many rude things you can say about the other candidate/incumbent. Increasingly, this name calling includes people who support the candidate/incumbent you do not like. It is a sleazy dirty business, and it makes me ashamed to be an American. ~ “it made me feel like this is a dirty business like I don’t want to be a part … it’s they’re trying to change people’s opinions with deception it’s not like they’re trying to tell you how good their guy is they’re using deception yeah they’re using fuckery it’s sleazy its sleazy it’s a sleazy business” ~ pictures today are from The Library of Congress. ~ selah

Broken Control

Posted in Poem by chamblee54 on April 12, 2020

The Democratic Party 2020

Posted in Library of Congress, Politics by chamblee54 on April 11, 2020

Throughout the democrat presidential reality show, I put off making a choice. I said I would wait until the Georgia primary, and see how things looked. This primary was scheduled for March 24. This was 12 days after the Atlanta kicked off covid-19 lockdown with a snowjam shopping spree. Soon, all public events were cancelled. The primary is scheduled for June 9.

Joe Biden is presumably going to be the nominee. The last challenger, Bernie Sanders, dropped out the other day. Sleepy Joe is looking like another “it’s his turn” candidate. These IHT candidates seldom win. Donald Trump has not done a good job as President, and deserves to lose. It remains to be seen if Sleepy Joe is the man for the job.

Tulsi Gabbard made a good impression. She makes opposition to regime change wars the focus of her campaign. The ferocious opposition that greeted Tulsi indicates that many establishment Democrats feel threatened. The good news is that Tulsi is 38 years old. This is less than half the age of Joe Biden, or Bernie Sanders. Tulsi, and Pete Buttigieg, will be around for a while.

There were 7 candidates when this post started. This compares to the 7 dwarfs, or the 7 husbands of Elizabeth Taylor. The silly 7, in first name order: Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Mike Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, Tulsi Gabbard.

@amyklobuchar “U.S. Senator from Minnesota and candidate for President. Text AMY to 91990 to join our homegrown campaign” Amy Jean Klobuchar, the wife of John Bessler, did not make much of an impression. She was the only candidate to wear a dress in the Las Vegas debate.

@BernieSanders “U.S. Senator from Vermont and candidate for President of the United States.” Bernie Sanders is one of two candidates with no middle name, resulting in descriptive initials. BS had some good ideas for spending money, and equally bad ideas about how to pay for it. BS has awesomely obnoxious fanboys, the Bernie Bros. One of the worst was Nina Turner, a paid staffer.

@EliLake “I know there is a lot handwringing in the pro-Israel community about Bernie’s decision to BDS AIPAC. Why? His absence is clarifying. If you’re under any illusions that a Sanders presidency would not be hostile to Israel, now you know.” This commentary at was a signal that the BS campaign was doomed. If AIPAC is opposed to your candidacy, you are not going to win. This suggests that the Mike Bloomberg candidacy was not just a vanity endeavor.

@ewarren “U.S. Senator, former teacher, and candidate for president. Wife, mom (Amelia, Alex, Bailey, @CFPB), grandmother, and Okie. She/her. Official campaign account.” Bless her 0.1% Cherokee heart. The former Elizabeth Ann Herring married, and divorced, Jim Warren. She kept the Warren name after she married Bruce H. Mann.

Sen. Warren displays preferred pronouns in her twitter bio, which is grounds for automatic disqualification. She has a few good ideas, and just enough onstage charisma to keep her interesting. Sen. Warren is mentioned as a possible VPOTUS candidate, despite being 99.9% white.

@JoeBiden “Senator, Vice President, 2020 candidate for President of the United States, husband to @DrBiden, proud father & grandfather. Loves ice cream, aviators & @Amtrak” Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. is married to Jill Tracy Jacobs Biden. Mr. Biden is 77 years old, and in obvious mental decline. He should not be running for President. We are stuck with him.

I foolishly gave the Biden campaign my email address. Between May 7, and June 26, I received 88 emails asking for money. Every time one of these messages came in, Windows put a popup message on my desktop. “I’m Joe Biden, and I approved this message.”

@MikeBloomberg “Entrepreneur, philanthropist, and mayor of NYC. Running for president to defeat Donald Trump & rebuild America. Tell me your thoughts on America: 859-695-6453.” Michael Rubens Bloomberg tried to buy the Presidency, and failed. There is speculation about his true motives. “In 1975, Bloomberg married Susan Elizabeth Barbara Brown … divorced Brown in 1993 … Since 2000, Bloomberg has lived with … Diana Taylor.”

@PeteButtigieg “Afghanistan veteran, South Bend’s Mayor Pete, husband. Running for president to rally Americans together to meet our urgent challenges. Boot-Edge-Edge. (he/him)” Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg is married to Chasten Buttigieg (Glezman). “Mayor Pete” was an interesting figure, inspiring unlikely support and intense opposition.

Pete did not handle the race issue well. After The Root called Pete “Lying MF”, the Mayor called back to chat. In that interview, he said “systemic racism, and white supremacy in particular, I believe, is the force that is most likely to destroy the United States of America.”

The current health crisis has put medical workers under the gun, working long hours under dangerous conditions. Mayor Pete wanted to punish Doctors with non-compliant racial values. “we also need … removal from their jobs if you are racist. If you’re nakedly racist, then you have no business being in charge, of being in care of anybody.”

@TulsiGabbard “US Presidential candidate standing for a better America. Wife, Sister, Veteran, Surfer, Friend. #StandWithTulsi #EndWastefulWars” Tulsi is married to Abraham Williams. Rep. Gabbard has shortcomings, and might not be able to win a national election. However, she is the first conspicuously anti-war candidate since George McGovern. Given America’s profitable passion for killing Muslims, it is not surprising that the Gabbard candidacy ran into such emotional opposition. Pictures today from The Library of Congress.

Truly Wicked

Posted in Poem by chamblee54 on April 10, 2020

Thomas Jefferson Said What?

Posted in History, Library of Congress, Quotes by chamblee54 on April 9, 2020

PG was wasting time with facebook when he saw a friend say “Damn I love this quote”. The passage being praised was “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” Desmond Tutu. The rhetoric alert started to flash. These days, the wolf and the sheep buy their clothes at the same Walmart. To hear some oppressors talk, they are the ones under attack. It is tough to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Often you can make things worse by getting mixed up. Sometimes the best thing to do is mind your own business.
Ok, now that is out of the way. Some lines sound good, but don’t hold up to a bit of thinking. As for the veracity of the quote, Desmond Tutu may very well have said it. (or maybe one of his rivals said it, and Mr. Tutu copied it.) The quote has been attributed to Thomas Jefferson, Edmund Burke, Patrick Henry, and probably others. Almost no one has a source, for the quote, from the dead white guys.
A post called MISQUOTING THE FOUNDERS did not mince words.
“The only problem with this scene that has been repeated many times across the country is that Thomas Jefferson never said that, never wrote that, and quite possibly never thought it. Our aspiring politician had fallen victim to the perils of popular misattribution. You could fill a book with misquotes and misattributed quotes we hear repeated regularly today. Right now if I Google “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent” the entire first page of results wrongly attribute it to Thomas Jefferson. The quote and its many variants have been attributed in the past to Thomas Paine and Edmund Burke, but no record exists of the quote in any of their writings or contemporary accounts.”
On November 13, 1787, Mr. Jefferson wrote a letter to William Smith. The letter is full of zesty quotes.
“What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”
A few lines above that, Mr. Jefferson said
“God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion.” Twenty years after he wrote this, Mr. Jefferson was President. He probably did not want to deal with a revolution when he was President.
Getting back to the quote about tyranny, Martin Porter wrote an entertaining essay, A study of a Web quotation. He gives credit, or blame, to Edmund Burke. First, a list of different versions is presented. This is a clue that something is awry. The conclusion:
“There is no original. The quote is bogus, and Burke never said it. It is a pseudo-quote, and corresponds to real quotes in the same way that urban legends about the ghost hitch-hiker vanishing in the back of the car and alligators in the sewers correspond to true news stories.”
Mr. Porter wrote a follow up essay, Four Principles of Quotation. These principles are:
Principle 1 (for readers) Whenever you see a quotation given with an author but no source assume that it is probably bogus. Principle 2 (for readers) Whenever you see a quotation given with a full source assume that it is probably being misused, unless you find good evidence that the quoter has read it in the source. Principle 3 (for quoters) Whenever you make a quotation, give the exact source. Principle 4 (for quoters) Only quote from works that you have read.
If these principles were to be used, then there would be a lot less hotheaded talking on the intercom. Those who are trying to influence you to the justice of their cause will not want you to read this. Pictures for this feature are from The Library of Congress. These pictures are Union soldiers, from the War Between the States. When war is discussed, all inspiring quotes are in doubt.
This is a repost. It is written like James Joyce. In the past year, doing due diligence on alleged quotes has become a hobby. Many people don’t care who said it, if they agree with the thoughts expressed. The prevailing thought is that an idea becomes more true with a famous name at the end. If the famous person is deceased, and cannot defend his/her reputation, that is not a problem. People do not like being told that Santa Claus does not exist.